Saturday, July 17, 2010

Southern Utah Inscriptions

Southern Utah

Hi Jim,

A gentleman contacted me to go look at a site he discovered in Southwestern Utah up along a black cinder extinct volcano. Up on one of the ledges appear the two signs shown in the attachments. Using local Paiute Indians we have their ideas of the meanings, yet, one Elder insisted that the signs are not of his people but of an ancient race. I thought we could pass these around to the group for a discussion and perhaps an answer.
Thank you.
Steve Shaffer
President WNC -

Guah-natch Soo-eech

Saturday, December 12, 2009

Utah Mastodon Painting

I thought you'd like this photo of some ancient beasts from Utah's past.

Guah-natch Soo-eech

Key Symbol - Possible Solution

Hi Jim,

Here’s an example of a possible explanation by Dan Lowe of Logan, Utah who is studying the glyph with me. It may help shed some light on the subject.


Monday, December 7, 2009

Key Symbol

From--Steve Shaffer
To--Jim Leslie

Hi Jim,
Find attached a photo of me by what we call the "Key Symbol". Some locals call them "Water Glyph" for reasons beyond me. However, what we have found is this symbols grace the lands of Northern Arizona and Southern Utah. They all appear as you see this one except for one site that has two long lines coming of the oblong circle instead of one like the one in the photo. Local Indians have no clue as to who put them there or why. Lichen growth on them vary but most show a significant coverage of lichen suggesting they are very old. Beneath two of these sites were found graves of large people. However they may have no connection.
Can you and your people shed some light on these glyphs? I have been studying them for 10 years but have little to show for it. I'll send more photos if you desire.
Thanks, Steve

Hi Steve, Looking in LaVan Martineau's book "The Rocks Begin to Speak", chart 8 on page 160 gives me some ideas. The nearest match of the "Key" is the glyph whose meaning is "gone", but the circle is solidly pecked. A more likely possiblity is "in front" which is an empty circle ["holding"] with a diameter line. But if you extend this line outside the circle, it would be like your "key" and could point the direction to the grave you mentioned or some other object/site. Two such lines may point to the multiple graves. Just some ideas. You may already considered these and rejected them.


Thanks Jim. All of the glyphs lay flat on stone. The long line trails off the edge. Some Navajo think this means: “Eternity” or “Life Continues”. I have read “The Rocks Begin to Speak” and have found similarities of this sign. Notice too there are two holes inside the circle near the main line. I have set sticks in these at different sites to see if there was some significance as far as “Shadow” signs go but found nothing so far. This photo is one with only one hole in the long line. I’ll send more photos of different designs.

Thanks, Steve PS, yes, go ahead and post the photos.

Thanks Steve,
Thanks for the info on the holes. I had dismiss them as natural. Now I think they are important to the solution. Both appear to be inside the circle. If its more an ellipse both holes [with pegs] would be needed to make an ellipse on the rock
What are the azimuth angles of the lines? I suppose you have considered equinoxes & solstices - one is coming up the 21st. But a inscribed circle is not needed for these, so why the circle?
The area is flat like a small mesa, would be good for astronomical alignment sightings; if not the sun maybe moon phases. Are there any other markings on this rock or other rocks within sight of this one?
More photos might help - I'll put all on our blog & notify the MES eMail circle.

Sunday, September 13, 2009

Utah Petroglyph

Sept 8, 2009 - I was wondering if anyone within your group could help me on the interpretation of the glyph I have attached to this email. The photo is orientated correctly (top is up). It is located at the Forest Service Office at Fillmore, Utah. It was taken from it’s original site up Chalk Creek Canyon near some hieroglyphs some years ago.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Steve Shaffer, President The We Nooch Society

From: Dr. R.M. de Jonge, Wentholtweg 8, 7214 EG Epse, The Netherlands

Tel.: 031-575-492813




September 13, 2009

Dear Jim Leslie,

Dear Steve Shaffer,

(Turn the photo of the petroglyph upside down.)


It is the carving of a man. He has two legs, his body consists of two (or three) parts in the center, and his head is on top of it. Near his heart is a hole in the rock. It represents the site of the carving near Fillmore, Utah, at 39°N. His head is a square, and it is part of a row of four squares, because one degree higher is the latitude of 40°N. The man is a king of the Fourth Dynasty. Below his head (near his heart) is also a square, so it is the fifth king Menkaura (of the Fourth Dynasty), who discovered America via the Southern Aleutian Islands, at the complementary latitude of 90-39= 51°N.

Around the hole in the rock is a big eye, and the hole itself is the pupil (iris) of it. It is the eye of the SunGod Ra. He appears at the latitude of the holy Tropic of Cancer, at 23°N. His head is one degree higher, at 24°N, so king Menkaura also discovered the Crossing of the Bering Strait, at the complementary latitude of 90-24= 66°N.

The five squares, just mentioned, encode the Southern Crossing of the Atlantic to Cape Sao Rock (the Holy Rock), Brazil, at 5°S, discovered at the Fifth Dynasty. The two legs of the man encode its sailing distance, of 2 Moiras, or 20°, as discovered by the second King Sahura (of the Fifth Dynasty).

His body consists of two large parts in the center, so he also discovered the return route from Newfoundland to the West Azores. These two islands are located at the level of the site of this petroglyph, at 39°N. Counted from the left, the head of the man is the second box, confirming that this second Crossing was discovered by the second king Sahura.

Counted from the right the head of the man is the third box. So, the Northern Crossing, from the Shetland Islands, via the south point of Greenland, to Cape Chidley, Canada, was discovered by the third king Nefererkare. These three kings came from the Nile Delta, at 30°N. The Northern Crossing via the three landpoints happened at the complementary latitude of the Nile Delta, at 90-30= 60°N. It was the third Crossing of the Atlantic. The body of the man consists of two large parts and a small part, so three parts, confirming this third king.

The Utah petroglyph shows a man, consisting of two legs, three central body parts, and a head, with three boxes. These (2+3+1+3 =) 9 parts show the latitude of the island of Bermuda, 9° above the Tropic of Cancer, at 23+9= 32°N. So, the return route across the Atlantic via Ber-muda to the 9 islands of the Azores was discovered by the 9th king Unas of the Fifth Dynasty.

The Utah carving consists of 9 parts. However, it also has a hole, and at both sides two arms, which show that the petroglyph dates from the 9+3= 12th Dynasty (Middle Kingdom).


Reinoud de Jonge

The Netherlands


De Jonge, R.M., “The Discovery of Three Continents (Santo Stefano, North Sardinia, Italy, c.2300 BC)”, Ancient American, Vol.12, No.76, pgs.28-29 (2007)

From: Frank Joseph []
Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:54 PM
To: John White:
Subject: Re: FW: Help with Glyph

Looks very modern. Frank
From Steve Shaver
Seotenber 14m 2009 5:57 PM
It’s not modern. The glyph was first photographed by Frank Beckwith back in 1929. It was covered in lichens and hardly noticeable!

From: David Grant Stewart Sr:
Sunday, September 13, 2009 7:39 PM

This is Olmec Hieratic.

Sunday, April 12, 2009

Two Unusual New York Artifacts forwarded these two Midhudson articles on one-of-a-kind artifacts found in New York. The first is a metal cup with a 'serpent' and possible letters. The second link is another metal artifact, a medallian or coin, with first assumed 'Chinese' characters but my be a Ni-thir glyph. If any ideas, please post,,,,Jim Leslie

Subj: Ancient Bronze Artifact, Found in Wurtsburg NY

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Tuesday, April 7, 2009

From Jim Leslie

I can't make the Indian artifact show, but its a good place to get some learned opinions. I too think its a design motif rather than ancient writing as we know it, but there is that curious "19" seen in the closeup. If it were ceramic rather than stone it might be an unfinished Indian ceramic bead?

Bob Draper Response

I'm going to go to MANHATTAN KANSAS INDIAN ARTIFACT SHOW to show it to someone there if you would like to see it up close it would be great. I will try to take more pics but I cant draw. The stone is vary small and the lines are vary vary small and hard to get a good pic . About the same as the lines in a finger print .

Thank you bob draper

What is it

Dear Jim,

Perhaps a few guesses as to WHAT it is instead of "reading" the glyphs would help. The patterning and the obvious small size and it's artistic fine detail siggest it as a piece of statuary or fine pot to this observer. What would therefor appear as writing may be a repititious glyph-like pattern on the object.
Still it appears very ancient and worth intense study. Since it must have been a piece which pebble-like has tumbled in a stream it may be useful to go upstream in the river in which it was found, searching for wash downs of recent years which would uncover larger fragments or other artifacts.
Perhaps the finder would like to make a diligent search of the region or give someone with the time directions to it's exact location to pursue just as an archeologist would search for larger bone fragments. Analysis of the pot's clay source also comes to mind if it is indeed a potsherd.

Jack Lausa

Monday, April 6, 2009

What is this response 1

I messed with the picture and then made a negative and a closeup (below). I think it enhances the details. Please pass it along.

From Russel:
From Wayne May: yes, do it. wayne
Jim Leslie wrote: Hey Wayne, I fwd your email to our eMail Circle. I can also put it on our blog if its' OK with your contact person. Potential world-wide circulation with the blog. Let me know if its ok
From David Grant Stewart, Sr.
Look a bit like Mayan or Olmec hieroglyphs, but not enough resolution to say anything definite.